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Quick recap, Chris Rosebrough from Fighting For The Faith, thoroughly examined the behaviour of Steven Furtick and his church at the Code Orange Revival, (which Phil Pringle endorsed). At this man-made revival event, Perry Noble preached that Steven Furtick WAS a Messiah. The only guest invited to speak that preached the gospel was Matt Chandler who also gave a profound message that insisted the “bible was not you”. The result of this sermon was an angry Furtick who went out of his way to censor the gospel and Matt Chandler’s biblical message. As a result of the despicable nature of Furtick’s handling of events was this conclusion by Chris Rosebrough :
“Based on the performance I have that I’ve seen… I think it is safe to say that Steven Furtick is a cult leader. I know that might come as a shock to some of you but I mean, based on what his followers have been saying to me privately and pubicly on twitter as well as in email and other stuff like that- I mean this guy is a cult leader. He is the visionary. He’s the man of God. He’s the new Messiah. But he’s not.” – Chris Rosebrough, The Antidote to Antichrist’s Anti-Truth: 08:30,http://0352182.netsolhost.com/F4F012012.mp3, 20/01/2012.
Read what we’ve covered in these articles here:
Noble Preaches Furtick Is Messiah While Pringle Prepares Presence For Furtick
Phil Pringle Endorsing Problematic Steve Furtick for Presence Conference 2012
Chris Rosebrough Labels Steve Furtick’s Church A Cult
Follower of Furtick Says They Were “Consistently Ingesting Spiritual Poison”
Phil Pringle however has invited the “Word of God” to come back down to preach at his Presence Conference.
Presence Conference 2013 Website, Accessed 04/08/2013.
Shockingly, more news has come out about the dangerous nature of Furtick’s Elevation ‘church’. While we do not agree with various things about ‘FBC Jax Watchdogs’, the information they spill is worth reporting. We wish to thank FBC Jax Watchdogs for this startling information about Steve Furtick. (Download the pdf of the volunteer contract form HERE before reading.)
Let’s hope that Phil Pringle does not copy this idea from Steven Furtick.
Elevation Church and Steven Furtick: Volunteer to Be Sued!
Nothing is more likely to destroy a species or a nation than a determination to survive at all costs. — C.S. Lewis
Contrary to popular blogger belief, TWW does not need to “go looking” for controversy. We have been around for 4 years and have developed a reputation that we give a hoot about people who have been hurt, let down, and abused by churches. The church leaders have their fan clubs of admiring wannabe pastors and church leaders. They pay the dough to sit in their presence at the interminable conferences held in nice places all over the world.
Who is the fan club for those hurt by these churches and leaders? Well, TWW is one. Julie Anne Smith at Spiritual Sounding Board and Kris at SGM Survivors are others. All of us raise red flags to help people know about church settings that are optimized for potential abuse.
This past week we got an email from an individual who referred to a contract that volunteers, as well as church employees, must sign at Elevation Church.
“I also grabbed it as well if it disappears. The whole thing is unconscionable in fact, if not actually in law. I plan on showing this to a few of my lawyer buddies online to see what they think.”
This individual went onto to call this document a pile of codswallop (or something similar).Frankly, I agree. TWW has written a number of posts outlining the potential pitfalls of signing membership covenants. Here are a few.
- Membership Covenant Red Flags
- Spiritual Abuse Final Exam – Analyze a Membership Covenant
- Another Mars Hill “Testimony: One More Reason to Beware of Covenants
- Mark Dever / 9 Marks Edict – You Cannot Resign W/O Permission
- Peacemaker or Kingmaker? Beware of “Covenants”
The legal issue is key
When signing one of these “covenants,” potential church members should understand that they are signing a legal document. We are warning you: these documents have been vetted by church attorneys.
The pastors go all “nicey, nicey” on the likely member, explaining that this is simply a “biblical” way to demonstrate that one is committing oneself to praying for, and supporting, the local body of Christ. Then everyone joins hands and sings “Kumbaya” while reveling in the loving unity of the local body. That is, until an unsuspecting person asks the wrong question and finds themselves on the receiving end of some “loving” church discipline with little recourse. Said person can run but the church can legally report them to the next church (and they do). Please refer to this post on TWW on how to legally extricate yourself from an abusive church.
If you insist on signing a church contract, consult your own attorney.
These covenants were invented by lawyers to protect the church leadership, as well as the church assets, from liability. These are not meant to protect you. (Repeat 10x).What makes this practice particularly despicable is that prospective members are rarely advised that they are signing a legal document or that they should consider getting legal advice prior to signing it.
We have often said that smart people should not sign these documents without first consulting with their own (not the church’s) attorney. Better yet, they should ask themselves why they would join a church that would not tell them that they are signing a legal document.
Is paranoia a biblical value at Steven Furtick’s Elevation Church?
Deb and I wanted to visit Elevation Church and listen to Furtick speak in person. We called the church office to ask when and where he would be preaching because there are multiple campuses. But, they have a funny little rule. They won’t tell you. It is against the rules. No matter which way I asked the question, the administrative person refused to answer me. Is this paranoia? Sure seems like it.
The infamous volunteer/employee contract is gaining fame.
The following document has been making its way around Charlotte, NC and has been picked up by Stuff Christian Culture Likes on Facebook link. It is a confidentiality agreement that must be signed by employees and anyone who wishes to “volunteer” at Steven Furtick’s Elevation Church in Charlotte link. Some smart folks, knowing that such a document might tend to “disappear” (imagine that!) made sure to post it on Dropbox here. (It takes a few seconds to load).
For those of you who have not had the opportunity to meet, or hear about, mega-pastor Furtick, we have embedded a well-known video called “Hey, Haters” at the end of the post. He is good buddies with Ed Young Jr link and Perry “oppose us and oppose God” Noble link which probably says it all. So, this man who says he is into peace and love and wants to restore a “hope of a nation,” has created a document to “insure” you stay “unified.”
Here is most of the document. You can view the whole thing at the above link. I have highlighted a few things. I also introduce each section.
It’s all about gossip and slander but these terms are not defined. Note the legalese.
THIS CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT (“Agreement”) dated __________________, is by and between Elevation Church (“Church”) and
________________________________________ (referred to as “I” or “me” below).
WHEREAS, the Church and I agree that the Bible was inspired by God and written by man without error and is completely relevant to our daily life;
WHEREAS, the Scriptures forbid the spreading of gossip, slander and the betraying of confidences (Exodus 23:1; Leviticus 19:16; Proverbs 6:19, 11:13, 16:28, 20:19; Romans 1:30; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 2 Corinthians 12:20 and Titus 2:3);
WHEREAS, as an inducement to the Church to allow me to volunteer, or to hire me or continue to employ me, or to provide me access to its confidential information, or to provide me compensation and/or benefits, as the case may be, I have agreed to execute this Agreement and be bound by its terms and covenants.
NOW, THEREFORE, in consideration of the above premises, I agree to be bound by the terms, conditions and covenants set forth herein:
They say you must disclose things if required to do so by the law but you must alert them immediately if you do so. Oh yeah, and be careful not to say too much.
1. CONFIDENTIALITY
1.1 Duty to Maintain Confidentiality.
I promise and agree that, except to the extent the use or disclosure of any Confidential Information (as defined below) is required to carry out my assigned duties with the Church, during my employment or
volunteering with the Church and thereafter: (a) I will keep strictly confidential and not disclose to any person not employed by the Church any Confidential Information, and (b) I will not use for myself or for any other person or entity any Confidential Information.
However, this provision shall not preclude me: (i) from the use or disclosure of information known generally to the public, other than as a result of my violation of this Section; or (ii) from any disclosure required by law or court order, so long as I provide the Church immediate written notice of any potential disclosure pursuant to this subsection and take all reasonable and lawful steps to limit the extent of such disclosure.
Of course, it is wrong to share prayer requests as you will note in (i). However, look at what else one must keep secret.
1.2 Definition.
The term “Confidential Information” means all non-public information furnished to, obtained by, or
created by me within the course and scope of my work (volunteer or otherwise) with the Church. Confidential Information includes,but is not limited to, such information relating to: (i) Church participants, including lists, contact information, prayer requests personal information; (ii) the Church’s finances, including personal financial/salary information related to the Church’s financial statements, balance sheets, offerings information, cash flow, forecasts and cost analyses; (iii) the Church’s plans and projections for opportunities for new or developing ideas; and/or (iv) the Church’s research and development activities and technical data.
Then, one must agree that this is all very reasonable.
2. REASONABLENESS OF RESTRICTIONS
I recognize that the terms of this Agreement are necessary to protect the Church’s confidential information and the sensitivity of such information. I also agree that its terms are fair and reasonable. Thus, I agree not to contest the general validity or enforceability of this Agreement. The covenants in this Agreement shall survive the termination or end of my employment or volunteering with the Church as set forth above, regardless of the date, reason or manner of my separation. I acknowledge that this Agreement is supported by good and valuable consideration.
And, if you happen to mention that the church is thinking about offering Zumba in the sanctuary on Mondays, you can get your pants sued off you.
3. GENERAL PROVISIONS
3.1 Remedies Available to the Church for My Breach.
I acknowledge that my breach of any of the restrictive covenants in this Agreement will result in irreparable damage to the Church. Therefore, in the event of any breach or threatened breach by me, I agree that the Church shall be entitled to an injunction from a court of competent jurisdiction enjoining me from committing any violation
or threatened violation of this Agreement. I further agree that the Church shall not be required to post a bond to obtain such an injunction. All remedies available to the Church by reason of a breach by me of this Agreement are cumulative, none is exclusive, and all remedies may be exercised concurrently or consecutively at the Church’s option.
Fascinating.
- Do not tell what the pastor makes. That Ed Young Jr thing was really yucky link. Poor Ed…
- Do not tell how much was in the plate on Sunday. People might wonder where the money goes.
- Do not share any cool idea that Furtick has. Someone else might copy it and that is not fair. Why help another Christian church. Furtick wants it all.
If you do any of the above, you can be sued. Well, I gotta hand it to him. At least he doesn’t play games with Matthew 18. He’ll just sue your sorry bottom.
Bottom Line
Do you really want to volunteer for a church that threatens you from the get go? Is this truly a place of love and unity? Ask yourself why Furtick wouldn’t want to share any neat ideas he has with everyone else? Or is he hiding his bundle under a bushel?
Matthew 5:14-16
You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others,that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
Steven Furtick at his finest. Hey Hater!
Source: Dee, Elevation Church and Steven Furtick: Volunteer to Be Sued!, http://thewartburgwatch.com/2013/04/04/elevation-church-and-steven-furtick-volunteer-to-be-sued/, 04/04/2013. (Accessed 08/04/2013.)
C3 Church Watch 
Thats horrific!!!!!! He is demonised. That’s the devil. The eyes are the window to the soul. If anyone can’t see that he is satanic then I wonder if they are a christian at all. That’s really scarey stuff. I am in complete shock. This has got to be end times if people think he has any of Gods spirit in him. I’m shaking from the demonic evil that came out of his eyes and mouth. C3 has totally lost the plot if they have invited him to speak. They are even worse than I realised. I thought I was watching a horror movie, an occultist. He is completely possessed by Satan. Scarey freaky stuff!!!!!
Annette, I see what you are saying. He does look scary. And I dont see the love in him that he exhorts others to engage in.
Having said that, what he is saying is spot on. There is so much hate from those who have been hurt in churches, not just C3 churches, but world wide. That pure hatred is on display here on this blog and many others. The purveyors of this hate say they are criticising out of love for the body, and love for the minister they have targeted, but the reality is far different, as any impartial observer can see when they stumble across this blog. It may shock those here who I have had dealings with in the past, but I am also one of those who was hurt deeply by a mega-church. I was in leadership, and began to question what was being taught from the pulpit. I spoke to one of the Pastors about it and was told that it was me who was wrong, not the leadership. But, instead of stamping my feet and chucking a tantrum , I simply blessed them and left the church. I felt no need for revenge, no need for retribution, no need for validation, and no need to publicly denigrate the church for what they had done to me. Why would I? It wouldn’t change the church, it wouldn’t change the leadership, it wouldn’t change the message, it would only change me. The more anger I might feel, the more that anger would change me. Who wants to be angry? Why bother? So, their message is unbiblical? Leave and go to a church that teaches the bible. So people are being deceived? Let them. They have brains. If they won’t use them to see the truth, that’s their problem, not yours. Why spend hours and hours searching the dark corners of the Internet for more ammunition against those who hurt you? It is fruitless and just breeds more hate. And there is no greater example of that than those regular posters here. Their quest for revenge has darkened their souls. Who wants that? Not me. I moved on. I exhort you to do the same.
Roundhouse,
I can cop what you are saying.I agree.
Years ago i had a lot more anger towards CCC ,due to the lies that i had to deal with at the time.But over the course of time,that anger and resentment has subsided a great deal.So praise God for his healing power.
After researching Pringle on the net(because previously i did not know much about him)my eyes were opened even more and i became all the more admonished,so as to never return to that same ‘Brand’.
Now,as for the MC Hey Haters Rap above,just click on this link below and check out the VID.
Something tells me that Furtick is simply using Rappers lyrics.
MC FURTICK,Huh!
He does sound a little bit like an Eminem wanna be.
Very scary!!!!!!!!!!!!
He has a mocking rebellious hateful evil spirit. There’s nothing of God in him that’s pure evil!!!!!
I’m so grateful I got away from C3 church.
In most businesses, churches, organisations and associations in most Western nations there is a Confidentially Agreement of which employees need to be aware.
Generally, the first thing an employee, on commencing a new appointment, will go through is an induction, at which they will be, amongst other things, told the law of the land regarding the gathering, storage and distribution of personal information on clients, members, staff or partners.
They will need to agree to the Policies and Procedures of the Organisation before they can commence employment. It is standard practice in most nations these days, and for good reasons. This is the case for voluntary or paid workers.
This is to cover the various Data Protection and Confidentiality Acts. In some nations personal Data is protected by law.
In Australia, as well as Canada, it is called the Privacy Act, and has recently been revised in Australia.
In UK it is called the Data Protection Act, with other Acts which complement it, and is very strict law..
In the US it is called the Data Protection Directive because there is no Federal Act. However, the various States legislate in different ways, and there is an expectation that Companies, Churches, Organisations and Associations are left to devise their own Agreements with clients, staff and organisations they may partner with.
Despite having no Federal legislation per cé, the US made an agreement to comply with International Privacy Acts to protect the personal information of individuals so that it is not shared across the Atlantic or Pacific without the express permission of the individual.
What you have produced is a basic Confidentiality Agreement form set out with a Biblical emphasis.
It is a Safeguard of people’s interests and agreement to protect any information given by Church members which may be added to databases, or may be proffered during interviews, counselling or any other activity which could involve the sharing of personal information, including names, addresses, phone numbers, Bank details, email addresses, ad any amount of information which should be kept confidential and needs to be safeguarded.
Perhaps a better reading of the document might have allayed your fears somewhat and you would have realised what it actually is.
Goodness, though. I don’t know why Steven Furtick would have to sink to calling critics toddlers, do you? I wonder what they’ve ever done to him?
Any discerning Christian would be able to see in his video, by the way he is speaking, his countenance, his facial expressions, let alone the bullying tactics, that there is nothing but vile evil coming out of his spirit. Look into his eyes and you will see he is carrying passengers. His eyes go cross eyed, his is a temple for demons, not Gods spirit. God does not speak to us in this way. Steve is mocking people, his spirit is rebellious, etc, etc. Im not even talking about the document, that is another issue. It’s so obvious that he is not of God. I’m amazed that anyone can’t see the blatantly obvious, it’s quiet concerning that any Christian can’t see this.
Hahaha that’s funny; for goodness sake – for 10 years I have worked with highly sensitive criminal justice data and haven’t signed something that intense.
Oh, and I served in a C3 for about 8 years and never signed anything. Nor in the AOG church for 7 years before that.
So Roundhouse demonstrates love for the body of Christ by exhorting them NOT to contend for the faith.
“So people are being deceived? Let them. They have brains. If they won’t use them to see the truth, that’s their problem, not yours.”
Interesting approach, Roundhouse!
Jude 1:17-22 “But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. They said to you, “In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.” It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life. AND HAVE MERCY ON THOSE WHO DOUBT; SAVE OTHERS BY SNATCHING THEM OUT OF THE FIRE; TO OTHERS SHOW MERCY WITH FEAR, HATING EVEN THE GARMENT STAINED BY THE FLESH.”
Annette – a very good site with a fair evaluation of Furtick –
http://carm.org/steven-furtick
And by “a fair evaluation”, he of course means, “this guy agrees with my opinions.”
““this guy agrees with my opinions.”
Anyone with eyes to see can understand that Furtick is a sick man; at the very least he is not right in the head, and, as Annette has quite rightly pointed out, the look in his eyes gives the distinct impression that he has passengers.
Thanks watcher. I’m about to read the book of Jude. It’s so important to study Gods word so as to stay on the straight and narrow path and not be deceived by the devil. You have excellent communication skills.
That form is fake. I volunteer at Elevation, as does my wife, she’s a team leader. We showed this form around our e-group tonight and had a good laugh. Y’all are funny and we love y’all too! 🙂
“That form is fake. I volunteer at Elevation, as does my wife, she’s a team leader.”
If it’s fake that is good news. It did cross our minds that this document did surface around April 1st. We are aware of the prank that was pulled on Joel Osteen and he clarified various websites was a fake. It would be good for Steven Furtick to clarify this document is fake. We will gladly correct this article if this form is indeed false.
Thank you for your contribution.
Regards,
C3CW
Yeah right. If Steven Furtivk actually bothered to give this more than the half a second’s worth of attention that this deserves, you’ll probably just say he’s lying or some such shite.
^ Ollie, if you consider yourself to be a Christian why are you resulting to slander?
Wow, a lot of effort for a joke….
I DARE YOU TO POST THIS… CHURCH WATCH….. ARE YOU OUT THERE LOVING, SAVING AND BUILDING SOULS…..?
OR ARE YOU OUT THERE CASTING JUDGEMENT ON MEN OF GOD… CHURCHES OF GOD.
GOD COMMANDS ‘DO NOT JUDGE’
GOD COMMANDS ‘DO NOT THINK YOURSELVES BETTER THAN OTHERS’
GOD COMMANDS ‘LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR’
GOD COMMANDS ‘DO NOT SLANDER’
GOD COMMANDS ‘HONOUR AMONG BROTHERS + SISTERS” (THIS MEANS WORLD WIDE)
GOD COMMANDS US TO LOVE THE CHURCH (THIS ALSO MEANS THE BODY OF CHRIST, UNIVERSALLY)
THESE COMMANDS ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE TO ANYTHING BUT TO ALL THINGS.
If you are not abiding in these then you are not abiding in Christ!
What about “Touch not the caps lock key, lest thou be deservedly ignored”?
That’s funny
“What about “Touch not the caps lock key, lest thou be deservedly ignored”?”
… he says, clearly not ignoring it.
Very well said! Could not have said it better myself! And herein lies the proof of such things declined by
Churchwatch. Their very own words, written in the above segment:
” We have been around for 4 years and have developed a reputation that we give a hoot about people who have been hurt, let down, and abused by churches. The church leaders have their fan clubs of admiring wannabe pastors and church leaders. They pay the dough to sit in their presence at the interminable conferences held in nice places all over the world.
Who is the fan club for those hurt by these churches and leaders? Well, TWW is one. Julie Anne Smith at Spiritual Sounding Board and Kris at SGM Survivors are others. All of us raise red flags to help people know about church settings that are optimized for potential abuse.”
You show not a care toward those hurt or’abused’ by churches, for you do not lead them to a place of love and understanding in Christ. What you do do is feed their resentment and advertise your own instability. Take heed Churchwatch, for the Bible clearly states in Ezekiel 3:20-21: If a righteous person turns from his righteousness and commits injustice, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die. Because you have not warned him, he shall die for his sin, and his righteous deeds that he has done shall not be remembered, but his blood I will require at your hand.
Seems to me you are drowning in the blood of others as much as your own.
There are a lot of guys like Steven Furtick popping up around the Charlotte region. I don’t think they believe in Jesus or God our father. I think they believe they are the chosen one.
@ ananimis, Well said. I agree there are others in Charlotte that are out of it. Not to mention, that’s where Jim & Tammy Bakker flourished their word of faith junk, in Charlotte.
Anybody, look who Jim Bakker has come into agreement now. You will be surprised once you figure out who his new associates are. He shifts like the wind. Follow the moolah,
Jim Styles
Please pray for chris rosebrough as there is so much hate in his heart. He should be praying for these people he is so concerned about their stand with God. We are not the judge of their hearts. Only God has that ability. If he feels that they are not Godly. he needs to leave them to God to correct. Since we do not know their heart, we must not judge as we could be touching God’s anointed I Chronicles 16: 22 says “Do not touch my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm.” So what if they are God’s Chosen. If there is some one on here that thinks that they can judge man’s heart, I would like to hear from that person.
Please read the Chronicles verse in context. Thanks. You’ll also find that verse is used by many Christian leaders to avoid criticism and scrutiny.
@ D Cain,
You use typical word of faith talk. Word of faithers love 1 Chronicles 16:22, and misuse it often. I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen them misuse it like you.
Not to mention, their word of faith ‘prophets’ are not real prophets. Been there, done that. I’m not a cessationist, but I don’t believe all these clowns the word of faithers are parading around the stage are real either.
And on Chris Rosebrough, my hat’s off to that brother, he’s done excellent research and has a good handle on what’s going on,
Jim Styles