If you attend C3 Church, please take note what pastors are saying about Phil Pringle.
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Pastor Ron Parker comments on Phil Pringle:
“As I look through this material [on C3 Church Watch], I recognize The New Age movement and its deception. Like Rick Warren and his Purpose driven New Age theme, the world is falling into a trap to ensnare the man with itching ears with a new gospel, which are lies. I can see how the deception works descreetly and makes it look good. Satan himself was created by God and was a beautiful Arc Angel. So he makes bad things look good to our eyes. But the Bible is true and Satan is a liar. We are set free from the world by Jesus Christ and Him alone. Saying all that, I would put Phil Pringle and Rick Warren in the same class!” - Pastor Ron Parker, Cornerstone Community Church, 16100 Hwy 71, Savannah, MO 64485.
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Pastor Gervase Nicholas E. Charmley comments on Phil Pringle:
“Phil Pringle Is A Twit” Says Pastor Charmley
Pringle Says Honour Bevere With Money “To Trigger The Impact of Grace In Your Life”
Is Phil Pringle Responding To Rosebrough & Charmley’s Criticism?
- From Bethel Evangelical Free Church, Hanley, Stoke on Trent.
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International Christian Radio Presenter Chris Rosebrough comments on Phil Pringle and the C3 Movement:
The Pirate, The Presence & The Peddlers
Rosebrough Claims Pringle & Furtick’s Fleecing At Presence Conference Is “Flat-out Criminal”
Excerpt: “… I’m going to be playing the audio from a video segment where they are – where Phil Pringle is basically getting people geared up to give for a miracle offering. Give money and you’ll receive a miracle. It’s – I mean it is- so, so blatantly obvious and just terrible as to how they are, you know, fleecing the people attending the Presence Conference! And using God as the pretense for it. It’s- it’s- uh-ah-ih- I don’t even want to say it borders on criminal. I think it’s flat-out criminal. I can’t see that this is not a crime in the Kingdom of God, what these men are doing. Steven Furtick and Phil Pringle, both.” – Chris Rosebrough, Fighting For The Faith, http://004f597.netsolhost.com/fftf/F4F041312.mp3, (8:20), 13/04/2012.
Chris Rosebrough Critiquing Phil Pringle At C3 San Diego (12/02/2012)
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Moriel Ministries Pastor and teacher Jacob Prasch comments on Phil Pringle and the C3 Movement:
“… When people get fed up with being financially exploited and begin to leave the church, the heavy shepherding takes over and these people are told “they have a spirit of rebellion”.
All of this mess comes from the ‘Mixture’ of secular psychology and the vain philosophies of the world with biblical psychology and Christian doctrine. This same mixture is why we see so many Christians in churches like Toronto Preacher Phil Pringle’s City Church in Sydney get involved in things like Amway and in pyramiding schemes. Psychologised Christians are prone to such things because such schemes are based on psycho babel disguising itself as biblical principles…” - Jacob Prasch, Understanding “The Mixture” from 1 Thessalonians, http://www.moriel.org/articles/sermons/understanding_the_mixture.htm. (Accessed 08/02/2012.)
Ps Prasch: “Pringle Gets Involved In Things Like Amway & Pyramiding Schemes
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Pastor, Missionary and Teacher Salvador Hayworth from KwaZulu Mission and Moriel Missions South Africa comments on Phil Pringle and the C3 Movement:
“When I see this material and see the doctrine and practices of the C3 church crowd, I cannot help but notice that biblical prophecy is being fulfilled before our very eyes. 2 Peter 2:1-6 prophecies [sic]
1 But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers, who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their lascivious doings; by reason of whom the way of the truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And in covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose sentence now from of old lingereth not, and their destruction slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 and spared not the ancient world, but preserved Noah with seven others, a preacher of righteousness, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, having made them an example unto those that should live ungodly;” Their destruction does not sleep. We don’t make judgment about these kind of teachers,. God has already made the judgment. These men are to be avoided. Just as those who camped with Korah went down into Sheol with Korah, so those who camp with these men will share in the same judgment.”
Church Leaders Speak Out
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Pastor Tony Dean from Moriah Ministries comments on Phil Pringle and the C3 Movement:
“There are millions upon millions ensnared in this false ‘Church’, and the only way they will ever be led out, is by having the true Gospel preached to the mega-masses, and by exposing the lies of their leaders. Only the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation, not gimmicks… the Gospel alone! Most of these people have never heard the true Gospel, and sadly, as you will discover, many do not want to! They are quite content to further indulge their sensuality and call it ‘a fresh move of the Holy Spirit’. . .
False prophets and false teachers abound, from Phil Pringle’s C3 enigmatic empire, to Brian Houston’s delusions of grandeur, and every nutcase in between, the professing Christian Church is literally infested with tongue wagging termites leading the deceived away into perdition. And we are told to not be ‘judgmental’ by mentioning the fact.”
And also says:
Well, as expected Senior Pastor of the Oxford Falls Christian City Church, Phil Pringle has exposed himself as a false prophet by shamelessly proclaiming in the Lord’s Name that an event would take place which did not. . .
Phil Pringle has been caught out uttering what the Bible calls, ‘Vain Imaginations’ and according to Scripture has invited the Lord’s rejection and wrath.
I am quite confident the Charismatic Spin Machine is presently working overtime to get around this one! And while some may consider this matter a small thing let me assure you the Heavenly Father does NOT!
“Phil Pringle – False Prophet” Christian-Witness Ministries Claims
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False prophets are many these days and they have nothing to lose. Unlike the Old Testament days when false prophets were put to death these days they get away with murder.
O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and anchorites, who in Falsehood devour the substance of men and hinder (them) from the way of God. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the way of God: announce unto them a most grievous penalty-
These bastards who are the so called pastors (husband and wife money spinners) at C3 Hobart Tas have stolen a families son to marry their daughter and now he has been brainwashed into locking out his family( non c3) His family have not been allowed to see their new grandson ever. How is it that a Christian pastor would believe this behaviour fair or not cruel for a family and what other christian pastors drive new BMWs and live in a million dollar house and live off rental property?????? Go figure?
@ angry
have you been part of the hobart c3 congregation?
Whoever wrote this is firstly too gutless to post their name and is obviously very twisted! I am simply astonished at this garbage. Wake up and take a look at yourself.
Hey Angry, have you ever thought about the fact that the pastors may have gotten wealthy before they pastored the church or that any person has a right to start a real estate business to fund their retirement as the church pay is usually lousy? I don’t know these pastors, they may be money hungry grubs or they may be good godly people that have been smart with their money, their inheritances or whatever. All I’m saying is unless you have facts that they are robbing the people in the church blind by paying themselves ridiculous amounts of money, you probably should shoot off at the mouth like that and judge.
I personally think that if government officials and other public figures have their incomes published, pastors of churches probably should to as they are holding a public position but if they make a lot of money on a side business, that’s fine.
I have spent decade working in ministry and my pay average has been below $35k a year, no retirement plan. Starting a business and making some money is not some evil thing, it’s when it owns you that it becomes a problem.
The worst parts of hell are reserved for phil pringle who is spiritually dirty and his satanic pastors
Please email us what you know to c3churchwatch@hotmail.com and we’ll try and examine this further.
Hope it has nothing to do with the TOWNSENDS!
When I see this material and see the doctrine and practices of the C3 church crowd, I cannot help but notice that biblical prophecy is being fulfilled before our very eyes. 2 Peter 2:1-6 prophecies 1 But there arose false prophets also among the people, as among you also there shall be false teachers, who shall privily bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master that bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their lascivious doings; by reason of whom the way of the truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And in covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose sentence now from of old lingereth not, and their destruction slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 and spared not the ancient world, but preserved Noah with seven others, a preacher of righteousness, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, having made them an example unto those that should live ungodly;” Their destruction does not sleep. We don’t make judgment about these kind of teachers,. God has already made the judgment. These men are to be avoided. Just as those who camped with Korah went down into Sheol with Korah, so those who camp with these men will share in the same judgment.
After finding this website and reading these comments Iam so glad I escaped them. I was going to one of their churches for a number of years and had assisted in youth ministry. Upon having two sudden deaths in the family not one person from that “caring” place even called me to offer their condolences. At the time I was deeply upset, how could Christians behave like that. I felt like I had passed my use by date and from their actions (or lack of) I could only conclude they are users, manipulaters and money hungry. Now I thank God they treated me like that and I escaped.
Dear,Sue Smith,
For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10 that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11 strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy; 12 giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His l
Colossians 1
New King James Version (NKJV)
Hi everyone,
I have been attending the c3 church nearest my house for just over a year now. I know most of you are probably now keening over in pity for my plight- but wait.
During the services at my church I can honestly say that I have only ever felt disconcerted with the sermon material once. When we had Phil Pringle as a guest preacher for our young adults service.
He started with the whole prosperity gospel shindig… And I, as well as several others from the congregation walked out mid- service.
I am very much the type who studies the Word in my own time in order to ensure that my beliefs, and those preached on sundays align with the scripture and I can honestly say that my pastors have never even alluded to the prosperity teachings during a service.
Our belief statement on the website is also markedly different to that of the c3i’s… The statements regarding both reaping benefit through tithes and the evidence of salvation being manifested in the gift of tongues have both altered to align more scripturally.
I have even had a friend of mine (who’s a Baptist minister) attend a service with me and did not find the teachings to be unbiblical.
Still, my church refers to themselves as c3… Still attends the presence conferences and sings c3of songs.
What does one do in this situation? Even though I am convinced that my church is removed from the overpowering and blatantly unscriptual charisma of Phil Pringle, should the fact that they are still affiliated with the c3i disturb me?
There are great C3 Churches out there, very many in fact that are not a chip of the old block – c3of. It’s a bit of a mystery to me. Many churches that joined for the relationships they had with others that were not PP or anyone from Oxford Falls. Many of the pastors have things that bother them about C3 but choose to stay in relationship in the hope that things will change. If your church is not doing things unscripturally, don’t be alarmed but keep an eye out. Your pastors seem like good people, they’ll walk their own path. Oh, and salvation by evidence of speaking in tongues has never been a C3 doctrine as far as I know…I’ve never heard it preached or taught ever…if it’s written somewhere, I stand corrected but it’s never been taught. Reaping benefit through tithing is taught non stop though. You should feel free to bring up your concerns with your pastors that you have with C3 and let them know how you feel. Perhaps if enough people do, it may affect change. If they shut you down and don’t give you honest answers and tell you to blindly obey, then you have a problem.
” Reaping benefit through tithing is taught non stop though ”
Nice observation ‘Mr Smith’ seeing as though c3 has changed the old testament ‘tithing law’ to help themselves .(Or rather adopted it from other denominations, thus aligning themselves with others who try to manipulate GOD’S word to suit themselves).
Eyes, I’m not defending it, just stating a fact. And you are right, tithing is not a new testament principle. Giving is always something we do, christ gave everything for us and in order to be christlike, we should do the same but giving ten percent to a church is not biblical. I’ve been taught that forever and it’s nice to wake up and see the truth. Most pastors would never stop preaching it as they think it will be the end of their buildings, bmw’s and wages. If only they could grasp the new testament concept that all we are, everything we have, 100% is God’s. He is our king, not any man.
What church us that
James 1
New International Version (NIV)
1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations:
Greetings.
Trials and Temptations
2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,[a] whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.
9 Believers in humble circumstances ought to take pride in their high position. 10 But the rich should take pride in their humiliation—since they will pass away like a wild flower. 11 For the sun rises with scorching heat and withers the plant; its blossom falls and its beauty is destroyed. In the same way, the rich will fade away even while they go about their business.
12 Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.
13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. 17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. 18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.
Listening and Doing
19 My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20 because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires. 21 Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.
22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.
26 Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. 27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
Its good to see that phil Pringle @c3 are starting to reap what they’ve sewn they speak down to people are controlling manipulative ruin people’s lives preach twisted scripture and bully people. I love the fact that they are being exposed for who they really are unfortunately the ruined lives cannot be mended
Dear Sarah
Your words are right on target and I personally appreciate them very much. Justice is paramount.
Ruined lives can mend through gracious and truthful words of compassion that you have already spoken above.
God bless you on this last day of 2012.
I can’t believe the venomous remarks and absolute hate of a Christian Pastor that I read in this column. I will pray for you all. If you do have these firm convictions – remember that as Christians we should forgive and not condemn 70 x 7 times.
Are you all Christians or a few hateful persons under many synonyms.
Satan loves this kind of hate.
Hi Lee
You are absolutely incorrect. We should forgive and not condemn 70 x 7 times ONLY if the offender repents. What does the Bible say?
“Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent’, you shall forgive him.”
Luke 17:3-4, Jesus Christ, New Testatment, The Bible, NKJV
There are very few Christians who are unwilling to forgive offenders who repent. Repentance by an offender involves taking full responsibility for the offence in humility. Without such repentance, it is very difficult to restore the relationship between the victim of the offender’s sin and the offender. It is this repentance in relationships that’s missing in the church today. Such repentance makes it extremely easy to forgive the offender because such repentance involves the offender owning the sin and confessing the truth that they have wronged the victim.
It is far from wise of you, Lee, to fire off in your comment when it has no basis in the words of Jesus Christ Himself that I’ve quoted above. People like you are the reason that the church has become so weak today.
I can see that you and your followers (possibly pseudonyms as remarked by Lee) have grouped themselves as Judge and Jury Masquerading as ‘Christians’ but behaving as foul mouthed spitting serpents with venomous biblical babble finger pointing.
I believe that anonymous religious hate sites such as your own should be closed and the internet cleaned up. Your comments are not representative of Christianity.
However this may not be possible as Satan is the accuser and possibly your greatest influence and supporter/sponsor.
You have set yourself up to be Judged.. True Christians will not be intimidated by your hate.
Lee
When you come out of a C3 Church, out of the muddy waters, and stand on the shore, you can see much more than you could when in those filtjy waters. I found it hard to swim to shore but I swam a little harder each day and finally found my Saviour on the shore, waiting for me.
I had to do it myself! I exercised my will that was taken from me in a C3 Church. I was blinded and brain-washed. I couldn’t see it then, until I broke free of the chains that bound me (the 2 Pastors and their wives).
To be free is to be free indeed and I feel wonderful, as indeed I should, being a child of God and walking with Jesus. I now have joy and no fear of man.
I found Jesus and was set free from the Law of sin and death.
I joined a C3 Church and the Pastors and their wives, put me under THEIR set of Laws and I almost withered away until I headed for the shore and met with my Jesus once again.
O they are deceptive. They appear to be Godly, but they demand obedience and they demand your money. It’s THEIR way or their wrath and persecution in full measure.
Enough said. It’s all in my past and today I am a living testimony of the freedom and joy to be found outside any C3 Church/Cult.
Lee, I have given my own testimony based on my experience over many years. Don’t trash what I’ve said please. I speak from my heart, from my lived experience. You may defend a C3 Pastor based on your own personal experience, but don’t do it just by taking the high moral road.
Greasy Grace comes to mind as I read your missive.
This is serious and many lives have been trashed over many, many years.
Andrew McKinnon, Lee – its so encouraging to hear your words of truth and discernment – you are both so spot on. The lives they ruin can’t often be fixed because of the wasted years spent in the church those years you can never get back let alone the damage to self esteem and trust. Don’t know where they get the idea that it is ok to speak down to people control them let alone the bad taste jokes – totally against God’s Word
Unfortunately I had attended a c3 church in sydney for about 5 years. I can barely remember the scriptures quoted in the sermons… I remember feeling “full of faith” (which is great) and gaining steps to live my “best life” (also great) but it wasnt until i left the church and moved up north (now attending another church (not c3)), that I realised that the word of God was hardly used by any c3 pastor I have listened to… It felt more motivating then anything to do with JESUS. I had spent more time on my iPod listening to podcasts from incredible preachers around the world, on my daily commute to work and back, who would actually base their sermons on JESUS and HIS WORD. The sole reason why we are on this earth, is to know more about our FATHER and how we can worship him and give him our ALL! Im tired of “feel good” sermons… Nothing wrong with them but people need to hear the truth about this man Jesus. Take the focus off ourselves and live to worship Jesus.